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Kernel Klinker
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Location: Hubbardston, Michigan
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 Posted:Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:46 pm Post subject |
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Here is a question for the remaining Dell-Point dealers.
Can the Pyromax burner assembly be installed on a FPI built stove?
If so, I'm ready to make the change.
Thanks.
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lowcostheat
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted:Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject |
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We have had a request in to Claude with that question.
We thought he may have a kit ready for those who would like to upgrade.
So far he has not gotten back to us about what would be needed.
We have the stoves setting side by side and we know there are differences:
1. The door has a air wash for the glass
2. The burn pots are different for pellets (16 holes) and corn (24 holes)
3. The outer pot is different (bottom ring is threaded for inner pot)
4. The top ring is threaded onto the inner pot
5. Ash removal assembly is bolted to two studs on the bottom of outer pot
6. Ash drive shaft has a bearing and seal where it goes through rear wall
7. Fuel/heat settings program is different (speeds/etc.) You could likely duplicate programmed speeds via manual adjustments; currently not many FPI burners stick with the default settings so they are experienced in tweaking.
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Kernel Klinker
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Joined: 19 Nov 2006
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Location: Hubbardston, Michigan
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| Posted:Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject |
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If I had both versions, together, the plotting would begin.
Having a burner that did not warp and leak would make my life easier.
Could you please answer these questions?
Is the outer tube of the burn assembly in the same position in relation to the feed drop and ash auger assembly?
The mounting plate that bolts the burner inside the burn chamber in the same position?
Is the ash auger assembly drive in the same position?
Thank You for your time.
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lowcostheat
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted:Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject |
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KK, Yes to all three
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Kernel Klinker
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Location: Hubbardston, Michigan
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| Posted:Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject |
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Three more Questions then.
I missed asking about the 1" NPT pipe nipple.
Does the combustion air intake connect to a 1" elbow welded to the burner in the same position as in the FPI version that I have?
Can I order the necessary conversion parts.?
Have I missed anything?
Thanks again for your time lowcostheat.
KK
(parts order is the next step- making things work is what I do) |
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lowcostheat
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| Posted:Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject |
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KK yes to ? 1
probably to ?2
don't think so to ?3
They have not made a parts list available to us yet.
I'll email Claude again to check on parts availability/cost.
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lowcostheat
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Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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| Posted:Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject |
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We have gotten the parts price list from Paromax in case someone is interested.
I am guessing that the needed parts would consist of
1. threaded top ring
2. threaded corn or pellet burn pot
3. outer burn pot (has 1" air inlet and threaded ring)
4. new control board with matched programing
I believe your current ash extraction will bolt up to bottom threaded ring which is welded to outer burn pot.
(Your old board may be able to be reprogrammed)
(Your old outer burn pot may be able to have threaded ring welded to bottom)
Approx. cost of items 1 through 4 above is $800 delivered.
May be better to purchase new and get 30% tax credit 
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Kernel Klinker
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Joined: 19 Nov 2006
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Location: Hubbardston, Michigan
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| Posted:Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject |
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I am not really interested in changing the control board.
All 3 ash augers and a complete burner assembly (for corn) is what I desire.
Thanks for all the help!
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mddorogi
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Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted:Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject |
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| Quote: | All 3 ash augers and a complete burner assembly (for corn) is what I desire.
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I talked to Claude LaPointe a month ago, briefly, about the new burn pot. Kids have sapped my memory abilities lately, so I may already be inaccurate in some of these details, but he said something like the original Europa's had so many levels (1-20 for ash/air) because they really weren't sure what would be needed to run these different fuels successfully. And the number of holes (20) was a compromise, ideally you need more for corn and less for pellets. I think he said the new burn pots had 16 holes for pellets, 24 for corn. But the adjustment range on the air and ash is less. And the ash extraction assembly is unchanged.
So I came away a little unsure if the new burn pot for corn would make all that much difference. Sure, it is better in that the top ring can't warp, the overall fit is probably better, etc, but it could be that one could reach the same settings with the current burn pot and control board.
Mostly, I'm just rambling...
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Kernel Klinker
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Location: Hubbardston, Michigan
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| Posted:Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:19 am Post subject |
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Right now I am removing a klinker every day from my stove. With the top ring leaks under control, running level 5 +3 and the wind blowing outside, the combustion blower runs level 14 to 16, so for me tweaking a GF75 is no big deal. 3 winters of corn heating 2600 square feet of living space (+1500 of basement) has taken it's toll on this stove. Alright, now I am done rambling.
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cornclinker
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Location: East Side, IL.
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| Posted:Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:35 am Post subject |
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I would like the air wash door on mine.  Will the doors interchange 
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lowcostheat
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| Posted:Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:07 am Post subject |
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They would interchange, but the new door is a different color black (more glossy) and quite expensive. $300.
There may be a way to modify yours with a few parts from the new one. I'll check on that.
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cornclinker
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Location: East Side, IL.
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| Posted:Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:08 am Post subject |
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Lowcostheat, Can you post some pictures of the new stove ? Maybe picture of the air wash door or a web site ?
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Kernel Klinker
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Location: Hubbardston, Michigan
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| Posted:Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:17 am Post subject |
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| lowcostheat wrote: | We have gotten the parts price list from Paromax in case someone is interested.
I am guessing that the needed parts would consist of
1. threaded top ring
2. threaded corn or pellet burn pot
3. outer burn pot (has 1" air inlet and threaded ring)
4. new control board with matched programing
I believe your current ash extraction will bolt up to bottom threaded ring which is welded to outer burn pot.
(Your old board may be able to be reprogrammed)
(Your old outer burn pot may be able to have threaded ring welded to bottom)
Approx. cost of items 1 through 4 above is $800 delivered.
May be better to purchase new and get 30% tax credit |
Purchase new? I am not aware of dealers around here. And the tax credit only reduces your total income for tax purposes. So, if the updated stove cost $4000, the tax credit would reduce the cost to around $3500, or am I missing something?
Weld on a threaded ring? That would work for me. Is it available?
I would still want the complete burner assembly with corn burning pot.
And the augers.
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naturesheat
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Location: Necedah, Wisconsin
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| Posted:Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:25 am Post subject |
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KK...The tax credit is 30% of the total cost of the stove, venting, hearth pad, installation, and whatever else you may need to get it installed. The top limit is a $1500 tax credit, so roughly if a person spends $4700 you have hit the maximum tax credit.
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