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SidecarFlip Super Burner

Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 3183 Location: Deerfield, Michigan
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Posted:Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject |
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Turns out that most of the new crop tanked corn around here is carrying the vomitoxin mold in the excess of 5ppm. In the State of Michigan (and maybe throughout the US, vomitoxin in the excess of 5ppm is illegal for sale as animal feed and in the excess of 10ppm, it must be landfilled or destroyed by...what else.....burning.
All the elevators locally are checking every load for vomitoxin and rejecting any load even close to 5ppm.
I talked to Pioneer Agriservices this morning and the rep told me that the problem is that most farmers tanked higher than 15 and the unusual weather here contributed to the spore growth.
I'll help 'em burn it, for a price.  _________________ Flipmeisters Specialty Products, LLC
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steadywoman Serious Burner

Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 522 Location: Indiana
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Posted:Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject |
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Me too, Flip...let's all get in line, eh??  _________________ Bixby 110
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sting Super Burner


Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 4120 Location: In my own world - its ok - They know me here - I play with Fire and Water
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Posted:Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject |
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Do we want this stuff in the house? _________________ When you turn your boiler on - - Does it return the favor?
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tallcorn Super Burner


Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 9541 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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tinman Serious Burner

Joined: 27 Oct 2008 Posts: 603 Location: Berlin, Michigan
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Posted:Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject |
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is this something that would be visible at these rates on the corn? _________________ "You know everybody is ignorant only on different subjects"...Will Rogers
"If life was fair Elvis would be alive and all the impersonators would be dead"....Johnny Carson
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tallcorn Super Burner


Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 9541 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Posted:Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject |
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http://www.seedburo.com/online_cat/categ03/neo8041.asp _________________ Countryside 3500P (pedestal version) used 8-9 yrs, 24/7 during days requiring heat. All original motors. Burns moldy corn, and pellets equally well. Burn it if you got it.
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RobC Regular Burner

Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 352 Location: Perry, MI
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Posted:Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject |
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Well with the massive amounts of antibiotics given to livestock in mass feed lots, I'm sure there's nothing to worry about. I also love how ADM (who's profits are based partly off of corn) says "it's not a big deal". Of course it's not. They would lose money if it was. Kind of like the big pharm companies claiming how H1N1 was going to be the big killer and drove unneccesary fear into people to make billions.  |
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Hats2Heavy Regular Burner

Joined: 30 Jan 2008 Posts: 278 Location: Lavalle WI
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Posted:Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject |
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| www.dairylandlabs.com / good info and links to info on molds in corns. The thing to keep in mind when feeding this is to keep the VOM as part of the complete feed diet as low as posible. You can have HMSC at 8ppm but if it is only 14 lbs of the herd diet then you may be under the safe limit. There are feed additives on the market that can help strip out the mycotoxins. Some of the things that are in this years corn one should not be around without a filter mask. |
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SidecarFlip Super Burner

Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 3183 Location: Deerfield, Michigan
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Posted:Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject |
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In as much as I don't feed a whole lot of raw corn, it don't impact me too much, however, acording to the Pioneer rep, hogs won't touch feed with VOM corn and it reduces weight gain in beef and reduces production in milkers.
That's an interesting link to Seedboro. I do quite a bit of business with Seedboro but it's on the forage end. Very knowledgable people.
I asked if it was considered a low level hazardous waste and I was told because it's not a chemical agent, the corn would be treated as ordinary compostable waste at the landfill. I can imagine the stink however. Wet moldy corn really stinks.
I've already offered to 'incinerate' some for my farmer neighbors.....they laughed. however, I suspect I'll be getting some.
The rep told me he checked 2 very large capcity GSI's near Fowlerville that were in the excess of 15PPM. Lots of landfill potential there.
He said he's staying very fit climbing up and down grain tanks this winter.
Sting...
Other than avoiding breathing the corn dust, there is no problem storing VOM corn or burning VOM corn because the spore is destroyed with combustion, hence inceneration, one way to dispose of it.
....Dispose in your boiler.  _________________ Flipmeisters Specialty Products, LLC
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SidecarFlip Super Burner

Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 3183 Location: Deerfield, Michigan
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Posted:Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject |
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I better add that ADM is full of shit. Excuse the profanity, that's the only term I can think of that describes what amounts to blowing off people at an undetermined as yet, expense.
The Vomitoxin is widespread here in Michigan and northern Ohio. Poet is full of the brown stuff as well.
GLE (Great Lakes Ethanol) came out with a Vomitoxin warning and further stated that the carryover to DDG increases the PPM ratio. GLE is rejecting anything over 3PPM. GLE's primary users of the DDG are feedlots.
Maybe pelletized DDG for fuel is closer than we think. Wood ethanol is going to dry up pellet producers source for raw materials anyway. _________________ Flipmeisters Specialty Products, LLC
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sting Super Burner


Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 4120 Location: In my own world - its ok - They know me here - I play with Fire and Water
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Posted:Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject |
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| SidecarFlip wrote: |
Sting...
Other than avoiding breathing the corn dust, there is no problem storing VOM corn or burning VOM corn because the spore is destroyed with combustion, hence inceneration, one way to dispose of it.
....Dispose in your boiler.  |
Ackkkkk
See there lies the Drama -- my finish / drying tank infuriates and conditions 20 bushel running batches of the seed - to boiler room temp and humidity.
So all that crap will just get driven off into the boiler room atmosphere.
 _________________ When you turn your boiler on - - Does it return the favor?
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FirepotPete Regular Burner

Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Posts: 201 Location: Title Town, USA
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Posted:Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject |
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Does anyone know, is there a possibility of this years corn (if infected) leaving this mold behind in storage units?
I have 2 IBC totes that I store my corn in, is this a concern for next year? _________________ Why is there more horses asses, than there is horses?
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tallcorn Super Burner


Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 9541 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Posted:Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject |
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| FirepotPete wrote: | Does anyone know, is there a possibility of this years corn (if infected) leaving this mold behind in storage units?
I have 2 IBC totes that I store my corn in, is this a concern for next year? |
From what I can find if you store corn in a bin that has held mold infected grain and the new grain has too much moisture, the new grain can have mold start to grow in it. If a bin has had mold infected grain in it the bin should be cleaned and disinfected. Search for mold abatement. _________________ Countryside 3500P (pedestal version) used 8-9 yrs, 24/7 during days requiring heat. All original motors. Burns moldy corn, and pellets equally well. Burn it if you got it.
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Hats2Heavy Regular Burner

Joined: 30 Jan 2008 Posts: 278 Location: Lavalle WI
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Posted:Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject |
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O boy Mold abatement that should pay very well  |
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tallcorn Super Burner


Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 9541 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Posted:Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject |
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| Hats2Heavy wrote: | O boy Mold abatement that should pay very well  |
If you had 9 square miles of housing and businesses flooded in the 2008 flood you would know it paid very well.
 _________________ Countryside 3500P (pedestal version) used 8-9 yrs, 24/7 during days requiring heat. All original motors. Burns moldy corn, and pellets equally well. Burn it if you got it.
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