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Jeff from KY
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National Academy of Sciences News Release
CO2 Emissions Causing Ocean Acidification to Progress at Unprecedented Rate
| Quote: | The changing chemistry of the world's oceans is a growing global problem, says the summary of a congressionally requested study by the National Research Council, which adds that unless man-made carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are substantially curbed, or atmospheric CO2 is controlled by some other means, the ocean will continue to become more acidic...
The ocean absorbs approximately a third of man-made CO2 emissions, including those from fossil-fuel use, cement production, and deforestation, the summary says. The CO2 taken up by the ocean decreases the pH of the water and leads to a combination of chemical changes collectively known as ocean acidification.
Since the beginning of the industrial revolution, the average pH of ocean surface waters has decreased approximately 0.1 unit -- from about 8.2 to 8.1 -- making them more acidic. Models project an additional 0.2 to 0.3 drop by the end of the century. This rate of change exceeds any known to have occurred in hundreds of thousands of years, the report says. The ocean will become more acidic on average as surface waters continue to absorb atmospheric CO2, the committee said. |
Access the full report:
Ocean Acidification: A National Strategy to Meet the Challenges of a Changing Ocean
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Occam
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| Posted:Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject |
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Since the beginning of the industrial revolution, the average pH of ocean surface waters has decreased approximately 0.1 unit -- from about 8.2 to 8.1 -- making them more acidic. Models project an additional 0.2 to 0.3 drop by the end of the century. |
A 0.3 pH change would be a doubling of ocean hydrogen ion concentrations (acidity) at about the time the atmospheric CO2 concentrations are expected to have doubled. Good for Shell, bad for shells. |
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Occam
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| Posted:Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:29 am Post subject |
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Ocean Changes May Have Dire Impact on People
ScienceDaily (June 19, 2010) — The first comprehensive synthesis on the effects of climate change on the world's oceans has found they are now changing at a rate not seen for several million years.
..."This is further evidence that we are well on the way to the next great extinction event."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100618103558.htm |
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SidecarFlip
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| Posted:Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject |
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...several million years ago, NO ONE WAS around to see anything.
...several million years in the future NO ONE WILL be around to worry about it.
Duh.
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mddorogi
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| Posted:Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject |
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| Quote: | ...several million years ago, NO ONE WAS around to see anything.
...several million years in the future NO ONE WILL be around to worry about it.
Duh.
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Duh...that's about right...
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SidecarFlip
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| Posted:Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject |
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Well Mark, I've joined the green revolution, sort of. Bought a solar (panel) powered ventilation fan for my clearspan truss arch hay storage building. Works real well with no outside utility power.
I thought of you when I erected the thin film panel.
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xracer
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| Posted:Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:34 am Post subject |
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| Occam wrote: | | Jeff from KY wrote: |
Since the beginning of the industrial revolution, the average pH of ocean surface waters has decreased approximately 0.1 unit -- from about 8.2 to 8.1 -- making them more acidic. Models project an additional 0.2 to 0.3 drop by the end of the century. |
A 0.3 pH change would be a doubling of ocean hydrogen ion concentrations (acidity) at about the time the atmospheric CO2 concentrations are expected to have doubled. Good for Shell, bad for shells. |
Sounds scary until one realizes this is more nonsense.
| Quote: | | Good for Shell, bad for shells. |
Really?
On the Carbon Myopia
First the political propaganda from NOAA and CAGW True Believers:
Hmm. Well, that must be true since NOAA "scientists" testified before Congress, right? And the horrifying pictures of dying shells caused by CO2!! What calamity! Disaster! Mass extinction in the oceans!!
But wait, what's this?
Well golly, how can that be? Occam and others here have been preaching CO2 is BAD BAD BAD!! What could possibly have led to the belief that CO2 kills shell fish? Maybe the promotion of junk science?
What's this?
Strange Occam, I don't recall any of this in IPCC, RealClimate, ScienceDaily or NewScientist. Why do you suppose that is?
The more one takes an honest look at all these Warmology claims, the more apparent it becomes there is absolutely no verifiable evidence supporting their claims. It is a religion.
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mddorogi
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| Posted:Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:05 am Post subject |
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| Quote: | Well Mark, I've joined the green revolution, sort of. Bought a solar (panel) powered ventilation fan for my clearspan truss arch hay storage building. Works real well with no outside utility power.
I thought of you when I erected the thin film panel.
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Awesome. I'll add your name to my Al Gore poster.
More tornados close to you the other night huh? I was on a trip to Wisconsin, on the phone with my wife and kids who were huddled in the basement. The younger one is pretty freaked out by these storms.
I tell her not to worry. Employing some of xracer's logic, I explain to her that wind is good, as it circulates air around plant life and reduces mold and fungus growth. Therefore, wind is good and cannot be harmful, so, no need to take cover.
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mddorogi
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| Posted:Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:11 pm Post subject |
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Whoa, more tornado warnings here! Looks like a few cells are bearing down on Ann Arbor. It's been an exciting year weather-wise.
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xracer
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| Posted:Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject |
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| mddorogi wrote: | | Quote: | Well Mark, I've joined the green revolution, sort of. Bought a solar (panel) powered ventilation fan for my clearspan truss arch hay storage building. Works real well with no outside utility power.
I thought of you when I erected the thin film panel.
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Awesome. I'll add your name to my Al Gore poster.
More tornados close to you the other night huh? I was on a trip to Wisconsin, on the phone with my wife and kids who were huddled in the basement. The younger one is pretty freaked out by these storms.
I tell her not to worry. Employing some of xracer's logic, I explain to her that wind is good, as it circulates air around plant life and reduces mold and fungus growth. Therefore, wind is good and cannot be harmful, so, no need to take cover. |
Storms are abnormal? Gee MD, were you a sheltered child? This is Michigan, remember?
By your logic, raising the cost of energy and giving politicians more power and money would result in less storms?
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mddorogi
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| Posted:Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject |
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| Quote: | By your logic, raising the cost of energy and giving politicians more power and money would result in less storms?
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ummm...it was your logic.
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xracer
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| Posted:Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:15 pm Post subject |
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| mddorogi wrote: | | Quote: | By your logic, raising the cost of energy and giving politicians more power and money would result in less storms?
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ummm...it was your logic. |
Not really. In your world CO2 is bad. I say its good and am not paranoid about my "carbon footprint" like some are, even in their purchase of a corn stove. So in effect, it is your logic.
Let me know when the next CO2 tornado comes through, I'll be sure to take cover.
Technically, a butterfly flapping its wings will affect something, so why bother living? Imagine all the pollution you're emitting by powering up your PC to post on this forum. Oh the guilt.
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mddorogi
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| Quote: | | Not really. In your world CO2 is bad. I say its good and am not paranoid about my "carbon footprint" like some are, even in their purchase of a corn stove. So in effect, it is your logic. |
In my world, CO2 has good and bad characteristics, like almost everything else, and, as much as is feasible, has to be managed accordingly.
In your world, apparently, you could swim in CO2, or sulfuric acid, or whatever, and be fine.
I'm not paranoid about anything, including my carbon footprint. It seems that you are more and more paranoid about CO2. In one thread, you are proclaiming how great CO2 is; in other threads, you argue there isn't any increase in CO2, or that if there is, it only lasts for seven months, and if there is warming, it is beneficial, except after all, it isn't warming anyway.
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Technically, a butterfly flapping its wings will affect something, so why bother living? Imagine all the pollution you're emitting by powering up your PC to post on this forum. Oh the guilt.
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Because, that butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil may ultimately cause a warm breeze to ever-so-slightly lift the skirt on that hot chick on campus, just when I happen to be in prime viewing position. Surely, a good enough reason to put up with butterfly wing-flapping to me.
You know, I never had any "guilt" about electricity usage, given that I use about half of what everyone around me uses, without even using solar panels. I do have concern about it, and try to reduce it further in cost-effective ways, but sorry, no guilt.
BTW, I'm really pleased with the Europa stove. That thing uses something like 16 watts continuously averaged over a winter. Phenomenal! I support the local co-op and famers by purchasing corn, reduce reliance on fossil fuels, stay toasty warm in the winter, and oh year, now that you mention it, I might even reduce my carbon footprint a little. Gosh, life is grand!
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SidecarFlip
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| Posted:Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject |
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Mark..
Sorry about the belated reply, I was out of the country on business myself. We have had more than our shre of bad weather lately. The other night, while I was gone, we got a big wind from the north that blew down my sweet corn so my wife tied it up with stakes and bailer twine.
Dundee still looks bad. It looks as though a bomb went off on M50 west of town.
Getting plenty of use ftom the pool lately as well. I went solar there too. I bought a 200 foot length of 1.5" black plastic water pipe and plumbed it into the feed line for the pool. I lay it out in the back yard and let the sun warm the water........ 
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More tornado warnings! Dundee and Maybee, I hear. I have the grill going, with some wings on, and a beer, watching from the garage...
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