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PostPosted:Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by dpaulson

mdonkers,

This is just an update being that you made an effort to help me. Thanks for that. I let my stove buck away at 2 1/2 lbs / hr for about a week or so. One evening I check on it for filling & cleaning and the tank is near empty, the room hot. That's strange I thought. I gave it a good cleaning and refueled. Re-lit , now the rye is literally pouring out at the 10on, 1 off setting. I now have it adjusted to 3 on/ 10 off and burning about 4 lbs / hr. Lots of heat now. I thought I would put the old 1.75 rpm motor back on, but that proved to burn only 3.5 lbs at a 10 on/2 off setting. I reinstalled the 4 rpm motor. A 3 rpm motor would probably be ideal, but this is OK for now. I don't know what corrected itself, visually there was no obstruction in the auger tube. The smoke smell in the house is gone. The smoke smell on the outside of the house is not nearly as strong either. Looks like the end to my misery. Still, it would have been good to know what happened.
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PostPosted:Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by mdonkers

Good to hear it's working. I agree though, it is annoying when something 'fixes itself' for no apparent reason.
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PostPosted:Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:04 pm    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by Iceshack

After all my playing around I think I have finally got it. I am not mixing any pellets, just corn. I am finding the heat is much better. I do have to say after reading about all the setting problems I am really beginning to like the envirotec stove. I do wish it had an adjustable draft fan but that is a minor thing. I would recomend this stove to anyone that is thinking of buying one for sure. And last but not at all least Martin I do thank you for all your help and advice for getting set up here. Also without this forum there would be a lot of angry unhappy stove owners that would never buy a corn stove except for this place. Thank you everyone for all the great advice and time that you have spent helping us new burners get things going.
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PostPosted:Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by gambler

I have never looked at the envirotec in person but I can't imagine it not having some way to adjust the combustion air. Are you sure it is not a hidden screw inside the back of the unit like amaizablaze does with their stoves?
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PostPosted:Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:38 pm    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by mdonkers

Iceshack,

I'm glad the stove is working well for you!

gambler,

Nope, there's definitely no draft adjustments on the Envirotec. As I mentioned before, I don't know if that's good or bad... it just works. I suppose from an combustion efficiency point-of-view it may be a trade-off... too much air on a low burn, and not enough on a high burn? Don't know? Like I said it just works.
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Embarassed First time putting pics on yhe board sorry
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PostPosted:Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:28 pm    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by gambler

mdonkers, are you positive that there is not a small threaded stud sticking out from the air box that is located behind the back wall of the burn chamber(you would have to remove the back panel to see). From the picture in the owners manual the set up of the internal parts of this stove look exactly like the amaizablaze 7100. And the controls are exactly like the amaizablaze controls. I don't suppose you would know if Murray and Carol Buckner were partnered up years ago because this stove has Buckner written all over it. I also know from another forum that Murray has a huge dislike for Buckner.
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PostPosted:Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by Iceshack

There is nothing that will adjust for the fan speed. I looked everywhere and nothing at all. I had the panels open to see but nothing that I can see. Can you post a pic of what you are telling me. Martin I think has two of these stoves and is always talks to the man you were talking about.
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PostPosted:Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by gambler

I would live to show you a pic but you will have to wait until spring because I have to pull my stove away from the wall and remove the back. And at the present time my stove is throwing large quantities of heat my way. I have another idea,the next time you clean your stove take a flash light and look into the hole that the air for the fire box comes from and tell me if you see a round piece of metal that is about 2 or 3cm inside the hole. On the amaizablaze 7100 this round piece of metal is welded to a threaded rod that threads into the back of the air distribution box located behind the fire box. They screw this toward or away from the back of the fire box to regulate the amount of air that can pass through the hole and get to the fire box. Like you said they do not have a speed control or any way to control the combustion fan and I was just wondering if they use the air damper method like the amaizablaze does.

sorry for the long post but I am just curious.
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PostPosted:Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by mdonkers

gambler wrote:
mdonkers, are you positive that there is not a small threaded stud sticking out from the air box that is located behind the back wall of the burn chamber(you would have to remove the back panel to see).


gambler,

I'm positive. I even looked in the back panel and there is nothing there, and if there is you can't get to it without completely dismantling the stove. Here's a picture of the combustion blower, and there's nothing there to adjust. The air comes in from the rear of the stove and blows in behind the burn chamber. The burn chamber can only be accessed if the stove is dismantled.



gambler wrote:
From the picture in the owners manual the set up of the internal parts of this stove look exactly like the amaizablaze 7100. And the controls are exactly like the amaizablaze controls.


I've always wondered about the similarities between the Evirotec, Buckner, Snowflame, Cornflame and Amaizablaze stoves. If you look at any of them, they ALL have identical controls?



Then there was this post in the old corn forum that just adds to the confusion...
http://www.iburncorn.com/forum/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=789

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I don't suppose you would know if Murray and Carol Buckner were partnered up years ago because this stove has Buckner written all over it. I also know from another forum that Murray has a huge dislike for Buckner.


IIRC, the story I got from Murray was that he sold Dovetec stoves for many years (greater than a decade?), and then when the owner was retiring he bought the patents, etc. for the Dovetec stoves and added his modifications and starting building the Envirotec stoves.

Then again look at this old Dovetec my neighbour is running...



... and compare it to the new Buckner BR-7...


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PostPosted:Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by tallcorn

Somewhere along the way the combustion fan control got lost. Confused

http://www.grainburningstoves.ca/EnvirotecStove.htm

Arrow "the combustion fan control" Question

"Then the combustion fan control, the grain auger control and the room air fan control are turned on to the desired settings"
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tallcorn wrote:
Somewhere along the way the combustion fan control got lost. Confused <SNIP>
"Then the combustion fan control, the grain auger control and the room air fan control are turned on to the desired settings"


tallcorn,

No just poorly worded. The "combustion fan control" is just referring to the on/off/auto-off switch. It should read, "First the combustion fan is turned on and then the fuel and room air fan controls are turned on to the desired settings"
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PostPosted:Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject Reply with quoteFind all posts by gambler

Thanks Martin, for the story on Envirotec and for the pics. From the stories that I have heard, Dovetec was the origional corn stove. So it looks like Dovetec is the grandfather of all of these stoves, Snowflame,Envirotec,Amazablaze,Corn flame,Corn-glo and Buckner. Boy, what a family tree!!
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mdonkers wrote:
tallcorn wrote:
Somewhere along the way the combustion fan control got lost. Confused <SNIP>
"Then the combustion fan control, the grain auger control and the room air fan control are turned on to the desired settings"


tallcorn,

No just poorly worded. The "combustion fan control" is just referring to the on/off/auto-off switch. It should read, "First the combustion fan is turned on and then the fuel and room air fan controls are turned on to the desired settings"


Laughing It fooled me. Well, it sounded like a good idea. Rolling Eyes
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